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eseabee1 User
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: shooting bags natives would have used |
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I am looking for examples of bags that the native americians would have used to carry their stuff in for their firearms I would lik eto make one to go with the horn I made
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Michael Galban User

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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I would go with a "slit" pouch. Pouchot mentions them specifically for hunting or war.
So the Native would carry powder horn, slit pouch (one side for shot the other for ball - Pouchot) and gun.
Those quilled and fingerwoven bags are probably NOT for hunting or war.
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eseabee1 User
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Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I know that the quill and beadwork was not used for war that much I did know because of the only grandfather I knew told me that he was native american....they were more for ceremonies and well special occasions thanks for the info
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Mario User

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Michael Galban User

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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Good image if you're doing 1807. Plus I think it might be one of the western great lakes double quill panel bags which we see in the Rhindisbacher images so frequently. Brant did get around.
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Isaac User

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Michael Galban wrote: | Good image if you're doing 1807. Plus I think it might be one of the western great lakes double quill panel bags which we see in the Rhindisbacher images so frequently. Brant did get around. |
REally... you think so?? I am not sure, but it is a cool thought. GOTTA love those cree/metis bags ;-)
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Michael Galban User

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ike,
As we say all the time when looking at period images.....it MIGHT be....LOL.
It does have similarities to those GL bags - and this is one of the only instances where an Iroquois is wearing a quilled bag. Hard to put quilled bags in Iroquois hands during the 18th c.
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Singer Guest
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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where would the green and blue facepaint come from (Artistic License?)curious...
Doing reading on Ojibwe bandolier bags.. they (authors) say "prior to 18th century the bags were constructed of buckskin, moose hide or "finger weaved" from plant fiber, and or constructed of wool blanket scraps...red being favored, but dark blue the most common" also that prior to 18th they were functional as hunting/rifle bags, with a top slit, or small flap and not highly decorated. But in the 1800's they became more of a status symbol and used as decoration with elaborate beadwork and loom work on the straps and at that time the bags became non funtional
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Michael Galban User

Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 163 Location: Iroquoia
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:50 am Post subject: |
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where is the info on bags written?
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Singer Guest
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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ummmm i think i was the nebraska historical assoc.site..they have a large collection of Ojibwe bags. twas during search of "1700's Ojibwe Bandolier Bags" i believe was the google i used. It was a museum collection...it was 4 am...minds foggy.
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Ummmm....still wondering about the green and blue face paint in the pictures.
Michael, I'm having trouble retracing my journey through the net to find the info...
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broken crow User

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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: bag? |
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Sorry but am I still missing something? I found no reference to anything 18th C on this web site? Am I pushing the wrong keys?????
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Michael Galban wrote: | Ike,
As we say all the time when looking at period images.....it MIGHT be....LOL.
It does have similarities to those GL bags - and this is one of the only instances where an Iroquois is wearing a quilled bag. Hard to put quilled bags in Iroquois hands during the 18th c. |
Hey, what about that set of gear from Germany, the one pouch that has the repaired bullet hole in it. Purchased by a Hessian Officer from a Mohawk
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Crooked River User

Joined: 12 Dec 2009 Posts: 41 Location: Florida
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Michael Galban wrote: | I would go with a "slit" pouch. Pouchot mentions them specifically for hunting or war.
So the Native would carry powder horn, slit pouch (one side for shot the other for ball - Pouchot) and gun. |
I would appreciate it if someone would tell me more about these "slit pouches." I did see the one in the image submitted by Mario (above), and there is one for sale with a "Chief Paugus" powder horn in the Virtual Round Robin section. It looks like a miniature "market wallet" made of hide rather than canvas. This looks like a simple and practical range bag to go with one's firelock. I would like to make one, but would just as soon build it correctly.
Comments appreciated.
Crooked River
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