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A friend of the scotsman
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: sided with the british Reply with quote

im pritty new to this,im trying to portray and indian that has sided with the british during the f&i war is there something i can wear/do/have to show that i have sided with the british?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All depends on who and where.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im not really sure but eather delawere or mohawk

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll have to look up the actual quote, but their is a letter from Sir William Johnson saying that "his" Indians (Mohawk) have a tuft of feathers tied on the muzzles of their fusees for ID purposes, and that they are to call out Johnson's indian name "Waraghey" (sp?) when approaching Brits.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

George II peace medal in silver on a ribbon for post 1757 Iroquois.

pm me. I have one for sale.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in southern new york and thanks for the help and about that letter is there any where on the internet that i can find it? again thanks alot oh!! and my friend said myby i should make afrench waistcoat so i could say i took it from a french manafter battle, if that makes sences?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of the scotsman wrote:
in southern new york and thanks for the help and about that letter is there any where on the internet that i can find it?


It's in the book "Their Bearing is Proud and Noble" but I don't remember which volume. I'll look it up for you. The original is in the Johnson Papers.



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and my friend said myby i should make afrench waistcoat so i could say i took it from a french manafter battle, if that makes sences?


Depends on who you ask. I think you'd be better off (if doing Mohawk) using the gift/trade lists in the Johnson Papers to see what he gave/sold to them. Lots of "trade coats".


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks alot ! it really is a lot of help
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I shall distinguish our Friend Indians with a red Fillet round their Heads & should a single One by any Accident fall in your way, I shall direct him to call out Warighajage wch is my Indian Name."

1755, Vol I, pg. 732


"...a mark to Distinguish them from the enemy, and we have for ours fixed upon a Bunch of Feathers to be fastned to the Muzzle of their Guns..."

21 July 1758, Vol IX, pg. 949


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you think that red fillet could be painted on??
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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do you think that red fillet could be painted on??


My guess is that a "Fillet" is a piece of cloth of somekind. Wearing it like a bandanna or turban would make you easily recognizable.

Perhaps Mike G. has more info.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merriam Webster Online lists one of the defs of "fillet" as

a ribbon or narrow strip of material used especially as a headband.

I'd make a headband of madder red wool, though maybe not too thick as it would be hot. The reason for that suggestion, is that the color wool would've been recognizable to British soldiers as the same as a regular soldier's coat. Might want to do the top of your head black...give a good contrast.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LD,

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I'd make a headband of madder red wool, though maybe not too thick as it would be hot. The reason for that suggestion, is that the color wool would've been recognizable to British soldiers as the same as a regular soldier's coat.


I would be very carefull with that logic. Not to say we don't make any inferences based on research, period examples, descriptions etc. I would first read accounts to get an idea of how they distinguished themselves then. Even that can be a pain as they would change how to distinguish themselves as allied depending on region, officer etc.

If your doing the mohawk/deleware thing I would start with Their Bearing is Noble and Proud Vol. 1 & 2. That will point you in the right direction and give you some basics.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mr. joshua i am asuming you portray a mohawk?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mr. joshua i am asuming you portray a mohawk?


Yes indeed. Where abouts in southern NY do you live?? Some of the members of my unit live in southern ny.

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