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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:15 am    Post subject: "Dog Bone" Design? Reply with quote

I'm talking about the wooden blocks used for tensioning tent ropes...

Most are just a rectangular block of hardwood with two holes drilled through it...

I have seen some that work better than those...slipped less...kept the tension better...but I cannot remember what they looked like or how they worked?

Does anybody here know what I am referring to?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some metal toggles that do the same thing on my modern tent. I believe for these things to work best you need to have plenty of friction. If your toggle and your rope are too smooth you'll get slippage. The metal ones on my modern tent have a slight kink to them, so the toggle bites into the rope at an angle--perhaps you could do the same with a wooden one by angling your holes slightly? Just a theory...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have some metal toggles that do the same thing on my modern tent. I believe for these things to work best you need to have plenty of friction. If your toggle and your rope are too smooth you'll get slippage. The metal ones on my modern tent have a slight kink to them, so the toggle bites into the rope at an angle--perhaps you could do the same with a wooden one by angling your holes slightly? Just a theory...


I have had the metal ones on modern tents too...

And with wooden blocks(or round dowel-type rods)...if the Rope and the Holes are very close to the same diameter...then better tension exists...
And the 'looser' the fit...the less tension and the more likelihood of the rope slipping...

BUT...I have seen a...Better Design...somewhere!

And I was just hoping someone here has too!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One half-hitch and then two more about 6" above the first. But don't do it with hemp rope. It swells too much when wet and you have to undo and retie the knots. On manila or the sisal rope that most use, knots work far better than dogbones.

Besides, knots are PC. Pretty sure dogbones aren't. ;-)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: dog bone Reply with quote

Oatsayo,
I would be interested in what you find as well.
I have seen different types of tensioners. Construction wise, they are all the same. Wood with two holes. But some are more fancy than others.
I dont know there are to many ways to change this idea but you never know.
I think Conde is right though, Probably knots are more PC
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: dog bone Reply with quote

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Oatsayo,
I would be interested in what you find as well.
I have seen different types of tensioners. Construction wise, they are all the same. Wood with two holes. But some are more fancy than others.
I dont know there are to many ways to change this idea but you never know.
I think Conde is right though, Probably knots are more PC


Conde is usually right...

But I try not to enourage him...

(and I know they are out there...somewhere)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is another truth, Blue cheese on bbq chips is great.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here is another truth, Blue cheese on bbq chips is great.



Yes, They Are !!!

Just ANOTHER EXAMPLE of how Conde COULD HAVE been RICH !!!


http://www.kettlefoods.com/our-all-natural-products/chips

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh sure. I'm gonna steal an idea from a lawyer and get rich? lol

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Besides, knots are PC. Pretty sure dogbones aren't. ;-)



http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-100-040-606-C


Hmmm....

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't say if "dogbones" are period correct or not, but they were on the small marquee tent of George Washingtons' that use to be on display at Valley Forge National Historical Park.

I also submit the following pictures and you can make up your own mind.

Not sure if these are dogbones, but there is something on these tent ropes.


What are these things on the ropes on the left side of the picture?


These ropes also have some kind of strange contraption on them.


These pictures were drawn at Hyde Park by Paul Sandby in 1780.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that sure solves the problem of knots in wet, swollen hemp rope. Cool stuff Eric and LLoyd.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well that sure solves the problem of knots in wet, swollen hemp rope. Cool stuff Eric and LLoyd.


Now If I Could Just Find Some Whale Bone...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing as how I use a small marquee and a fly, I use dogbones (mine are a 3/4 inch square piece of oak about 3 inches long with a hole drilled in each end) on my tent, and simply do the half-hitches Tom mentioned on my fly. I know some guys use a half hitch and a clove hitch, but I am not smart enough to remember how to tie a clove hitch....

A friend of mine has some neat iron doo-hickeys for his tent, and the tent has neat-o iron rings at every pole and his ropes are hooked up the opposite of mine. Once again, too complicated a set-up for my feeble brain.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:49 am    Post subject: dog bone Reply with quote

Oatsayo,
Wow !! great stuff. Answers that question for me.
We just need to deturmine how they commonly looked now.

What did the ones on GWs tent look like? Do you remember? i doubt they added them to it. They are probably original to the tent.
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