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christine
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Ever been shot? Reply with quote

Hello all!

Boy! It has been a while since I've been here, and the message board is much fancier than it used to be!

Some of you might remember me - I am a writer of historical fiction. While working on my last novel (which is set in on the colonial frontier in 1763) I often relied on you guys to help me out with the nitty gritty.

Well, that story will be in the bookstores soon (Aug 5) and I am working on a an American Revolution story set in 1776, occupied New York City (to be published April 2009) and I wonder if you all can come to the rescue again with answers to these questions:

Have any of you ever been shot with lead ball?
I know it can't feel good, but I'm looking for first hand accounts of how it feels to be shot.

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer on the significant details - you guys are terrific!

Cheers!

Christine Blevins

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coming August 2008 by Berkley/Penguin

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"Blevins doesn't soft-peddle the brutal realities of women's lot in the colonies." -Publishers Weekly
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I've never been shot with lead ball before, but my dear hubby was shot point blank during a skirmish at an event last year with just the powder. It was a young kid that did it, and Nodin just felt bad for the fella. The kid was almost in tears. Nodin says that there was just a loud noise, a lot of smoke and then it took a minute for the pain to start. He described it as an angry, burning sensation on his side.

When I finally saw it the next day, because I was not able to go to the event due to being out of state for a work conference, it was a red welt. The entire left hip and side area was speckled with black powder. He is a Chippewa, so he portrays Native. It burned through his shirt and left a black powder burn on it. At least he had even a shirt to break the powder. If he had been just in a breechclout, I would have hated to have seen it. Over a year later, and he still has black powder that you can see just under his skin.

What are some of the titles of your books? I'm all about reading historical fiction as well as non-fiction. Sorry that this post probably didn't help you very much.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The breech and about 3' of tube burst with the round on the way out of a 155mm a few sections down from me back in my artillery days, and those fellows' faces on the litters are permanently imprinted in my mind.

I got nailed with # 6 shot from a 12g at about 25 yards, but it was an accident thru thick balsams, and stung like hell, but didn't even take tweezers. Would I hunt with Dick Cheney? Maybe. Do I know horror in a military context? Yes. Have I been injured in combat? No. I thank God for that, and I especially thank the others who served and weren't so lucky. Lloyd, tell this gal some horror stories. ;-)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all due respect to our soldiers and veterans: My hat is off to you and I think you deeply for your service. You are truly heroes. With that in mind;

I think this question is inappropriate and need not be asked here.

Just my opinion, but there are children who read these boards too., I don’t think they need to hear of the details. Leave that to their parents to decide how to handle that though their training of gun safety not limited to the hands off panic approach most public schools are teaching.

This type of question can get the forum banned from many libraries and public access points including the new ‘filters’ Verizon, time Warner and others are intending to place on cable internet connections….they are not going to just filter out the porn sites and you well know that.

As a firefighter and paramedic, and as part of the emergency services in a major metropolitan area, I’ve had to both transport the lucky ones and pronounce the unlucky ones. ….this is not a mystery

There is plenty of modern information available on this subject, or just get in touch with your local level one trauma emergency room physician. This question does not belong in this forum. Injury and death caused by gunfire is the same no matter what causes it. The effects are well studied in ballistic studies.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: shot? Reply with quote

Yes, I've been shot before. I won't go into the circumstances but I will tell you that at the time it happened I didn't even feel it. I remember looking down at my hand and seeing white bone which after what seemed like an incredibly long time filled up with red blood and continued bleeding. No pain until much later. I was real lucky and only got winged. Still have the scar.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a paramedic with 32 years experience in the streets I have to respectfully disagree with my esteemed colleague. I think it's a perfectly valid question so long as the response is also appropriate. Christine isn't asking for the bloody details, just trying to get an idea of what it feels like to be shot.

I've been shot at, but not shot. I have treated and/or transported more than a fair share of GSW victims, and their reactions ranged from "just another scratch" (.22 rimfire to the left calf) to "I think I'm going to die" (he did).

My all-time thus-far favorite is was a 22 year old kid who decided to clean his .357 magnum revolver. "I didn't know it was loaded....". When the pistol discharged the bullet literally struck him between the eyes (yep, center punched himself). When we arrived on scene he was awake, alert and oriented to person, place, time and circumstances. His chief complaint was a dull neck ache. It turns out the bullet skimmed along the inside of the skull, missing any major structures, and finally lodged at the third vertebra in his neck.

Although certainly not comfortable, the majority of GSW victims I've managed did not complain of an inordinate amount of pain. Most rated their pain level as between 5 to 8 on a scale of 10, with 10 equal to the most excruciating pain the patient could imagine.

Several victims described the pain as "like being run through with a red hot iron."

Oh, a related factor. About 80% of the GSW patients I've managed reported that they had been drinking, and easily half or more of them were quite obviously intoxicated.

Swanny (aka Thom Swan, NREMT-P)

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Sieur Phillipe Chenier
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salut,

Gabe said:
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Have I been injured in combat? No. I thank God for that, and I especially thank the others who served and weren't so lucky. Lloyd, tell this gal some horror stories. ;-)


Gabe,

LOL! It was a mighty big round ball. Well not exactly round! Thank God for Dupont Kevlar and SAPPI Plates!

If she wants to ask me about it she can PM me.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am happy to say I have never been shot but I have been burn, cut badly and stabbed. All by accident or of my own stupidity. Each time the brain has turned to survival mode and by doing so I had little pain at the moment of injury. The pain only showed its ugly head after the passage of time each being different depending on the situation. I will say the burn over my face and hands had to be the worst pain I had ever been in.
I know this is not exactly what information you had asked for but what I am trying to convey is the human body produces indorfens (sic) to protect the body from going into shock. Those on this post that are in the medical field can better explain how this all works.
Good luck with your new book.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Saw It Comin' Reply with quote

Back in 1981, I was shooting a second camera on a local production about the life of poet Sidney Lanier, and we were shooting some scenes for Lanier's stint in the Confederate army.

I recall standing holding a camera while about six "reb" soldiers ran toward the crew, and two stopped to fire. I remember looking through the lens and noticing one guy in particular pointing his gun at me, and I was thinkin' "Man, if this was real, I'd be dead..." And wham! I got hit in the chest with a wad that hit me hard enough to make me jump.

No big thing, of course. And it sure beats getting shot (or shot at) for real. But I bring it up only for one idea for you: I was one of about six folks standing in front of the attackers, and I noticed one musket aimed for me. Not toward me, but AT me. It was very eerie thinking, just as the soldier aimed his weapon and before he fired, "that ball has my number on it."

And of course you'll be relieved to know that I am still alive.

I did stop a ricocheting (did I spell that right?) .38 with my foot. Lucky as sin. It hurt, left a bruise, but that's all. First and last .38 slug I shot inside a chicken coop. The 'possum didn't fare so well, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't say how being hit with a round ball in the 18th century would have felt. I do know a guy who was shot in the groin with a TC round ball back in the 70's while coyote hunting.

However I can tell you from first hand experience that in the heat of battle, in most cases, unless the bullet knocks you down, you don't even know it. In the fall of 68, was hit in the forearm. My adrenalin was up and pumped. I didn't know it, until another guy noticed it. It was just a burning sensation with a warm sticky feeling. Afterwards, it turned to pain then the shock set in. This was all in the dark, so seeing the wound wasn't possible. I think shock would have sat in much faster had I been able to see the wound. The mind defeats the body in lots of cases. People die who really should live. People live who should have died.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Being Shot Reply with quote

I was hit while doing a demo at a museum. We were shooting at various targets, one was about 70-80 yards away, it was a metal buffalo about 2 foot square . When all of a sudden my forehead was on fire and very wet, a portion of a lead ball had I guess come off the buffalo and bounced back hitting me [I was about 5-7 yards behind the shooter] They [emts] pulled a piece of lead off my forehead about the size of 1/4 a marble, mainly burned me, only a very very small cut. Thank god it was not my eye. It was a very weird feeling, but not very painful. I still have fun roughing up the guy that "Shot Me" Skunk

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First let me say it was not my intention to offend or annoy anyone here, and I apologize to anyone who felt my inquiry inappropriate. I truly did not mean for that to happen.

You all work hard to strive for true accuracy in reenacting your chosen time period and persona. Well I do the same in order to portray a setting or a character in my novel. I am a rabid researcher, but some information is just not available and the insight provided by you all has proven key for my efforts in the past.

I love history - American history in particular. You know, what I really need is a time machine - but lacking a time machine, books and you guys are the next best thing.

I have gleaned a lot of great information on this board and from articles in the magazine - from people who have "been there, and done that". I remember when I needed to hear ways on how to best disable a rifle - everyone came up with some great answers - and I used them in my story. When I needed to learn about powder burns and how they happen you all posted a lot of first-hand experiences which helped me to write a credible scene. When I tried to figure out how a man actually puts on a breechclout - you guys were there to clue me in.

There is some great info in this thread. I was looking for feelings, and it is most interesting that many of you mentioned not feeling anything at all until moments after impact -

A big thanks to all who took the time to respond to this question and for being so generous in sharing your thoughts and experiences.

Fare Well!

Christine Blevins
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christine,

Are you any kin to Winfred?

Lloyd
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read a couple of his books - I think he is a very fine writer - but Blevins is my married name, and we are not related. Though he does look an awful lot like my brother-in-law, so there may be some shared DNA somewhere.

Blevins is one of those funny names - not so common, but common enough. People are always asking me if I know so-and so Blevins, and I never do. I recently received an email from a Christine Blevins in Wales - she found my website when she Googled herself. (hmmm... I think I need to find a better way to phrase that.)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

christine wrote:

Blevins is one of those funny names - not so common, but common enough. People are always asking me if I know so-and so Blevins, and I never do. I recently received an email from a Christine Blevins in Wales - she found my website when she Googled herself. (hmmm... I think I need to find a better way to phrase that.)

cb


I raced against some Blevins gals in Alaska. Good-lookin' gals in that family.

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