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need expert in SW 1800-40 womens scouting gear

 
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julie jacobs
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:01 pm    Post subject: need expert in SW 1800-40 womens scouting gear Reply with quote

Help. I need expert help in finding exactly what a women would use to carry her gear in the SW in early 1800's while on a scout, "trek", traveling from one place to another for a few days. I have made my own educated guesses, research isn't that productive, so I need an expert to help me. I've used about everything you can think of, but now want actual evidence, source, of what the women would have used to carry their gear.

I've used pack basket, too modern
canvas haversacks over shoulder also converted into a backpack
rolled up kit slung over the shoulder, too eastern?
a mule burden basket made into a back pack
a big canvas bag hand carried, ugh.

see where I'm going w/ this? Help? what did they actually use? Any experts on this out there? Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Book of Buckskinning 3 or 4 has a somewhat dated but still good when cross referenced article on SW clothing and gear of the pre-1840 era.

Also check out the Museum of The Fur Trades Journal - there's a list of all past articles on their site
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like I'll be becoming the expert. Thanks for the help
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well even the experts can't offer much without who, the when, and where so there is no simplistic answer (as much as you may want one?). I don't claim to be an expert but have been studying the subject of the pre-1860 Spanish West for over 40 years - and have lived in Californai, Arizona, New Mexico, and for the last 17 years far SW Colorado.
When - early 1800's means what ? 1800,1805, 1810, 1820 or...
Where and who - the SW was and is a big area and the culture was not all the same, even the Spanish influenced Mexican/Tejano/Californio cultures (i.e. California was not New Mexico, nor was it Texas and vice versa) and then when you get into the various Native cultures it gets more particular - even with related groups such as the Dine and the Apache (ie.e what Apache: Jicarilla, Lipan, Chiricauha, White Springs, all differed to a degree, some groups substantially from others), or the Shoshones and the Comanches, who were an off shoot of the Shoshone. As for Anglos - they weren't very welcome in many parts of the SW (especially Nuevo Mejico) until post 1821-22, after Mexico seceded from Spain - prior to that most Anglos wound up making big rocks into little ones in various Mexican prisons. Then there are the various classes: patrons, peons, merchants, etc.
So goodluck on becoming becoming "the expert", but in order to do that you will need to define the who, when, and where..........for New Mexico check with Rancho de Los Galandrinos and the writings of Marc Simmons, New Mexico's professor emeritus of SW Colonial Spanish and Anglo. History
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