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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: India Pattern Brown Bess Reply with quote

Hello again, I have an India Pattern Brown Bess made in India. It doesn't have the "beaver tail" around the tang or the "teardrops" at the rear of the lock mortise. Should my IPBB have teardrops and a beaver tail? How long and wide should the teardrops be? Should the end of the beaver tail be level with the end of the lock mortise?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin, take a look here...http://www.11thpa.org/Bess.html

It might help you.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the best of my knowledge,the India pattern didn't have them...like the simpler brass work..it was an "economy" pattern for the HEIC only adopted by HM forces due to supply pressure durring the Napoleonic wars...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How d' ye!

Yes, it should have both the "beaver tail" or "apron on the tang and the "tear drops" on the lock/sideplate panels.

The "football" shaped wide flat lock plate panel is "wrong" for the India Pattern.

Being hand-made guns, the originals vary a bit, both originally and with some surviving specimens being sanded which removes more of the varying width of the narrow "tear drop finials" on the lock and side panels.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys for all your help:-)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Archer wrote:

Being hand-made guns, the originals vary a bit, both originally and with some surviving specimens being sanded which removes more of the varying width of the narrow "tear drop finials" on the lock and side panels.

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That could explain the photo I looked at which seemed to lack them
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ditto on the pics.

My 3rd Model from India did not have the "tear drops". The stock was very thick and chunky. The lock and side panels were awful, I think the lock was 1/8th to 1/4 deep from the outer surface of the panel.

Anyway. after careful stripping. alot of sanding, some dark walnut stain and oil finish, it looks much better. Hee hee hee!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Gonzales"]

My 3rd Model from India did not have the "tear drops". The stock was very thick and chunky. The lock and side panels were awful, I think the lock was 1/8th to 1/4 deep from the outer surface of the panel.

We've had one like that!...and a beautifully made,nicely finished one....shows the variance in Indian quality(both came through the same UK dealer...He told me he "gets what comes")
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How d' ye!

Here is the typical way the Indian made "3rd Models" come:



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How d' ye!

Versus two more images of just how narrow the "tear drop" finials can be:

and on a later version with double-throated cock:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Archer, Thanks, I will work on my bess and post pics when finished, fighting pneumonia now.

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