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Camisole/Waistcoat difference?

 
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David A. Schmid
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Camisole/Waistcoat difference? Reply with quote

Re-reading Rural Pennsylvania Clothing.

There are run away descriptions that describe a camisole of wool, linsey, or tow.

"had on a old white cloth camisole and like waistcoat with white buttons"

could a camisole be a jacket? Because they list coats and waistcoats, but not a mention of jackets.

"wearing a greenish coat pretty well worn, a whitish camisole with double row brass buttons"

then this listing comes up a worn jacket/camisole under a coat?

is a camisole a gilet type underjacket?

anyone can clear this up?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best I can recall from past threads that is exactly what it is David. Camisolle is a gilet. I seems like Issac made some distinction in some cases but the basic was they are the same. May depend on how it's worn. I can't recall now.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Costume in New France' suggests the camisole is much like the gilet,but worn under the shirt.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that in the French but I am looking at German, two different worlds I suspect ( hard to keep a straight face with that comment) lol

for example:
Germans, Dutch and English also had wool shirts...I have yet to find that in French dress.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure in German, but a camisole (in french or English) is an underwaistcoat and is waistlength. In the 1780s and on, when short waistcoats became the norm, they were often called "Camisole-cut waistcoats" just like the term veste in France was replaced with gilet, which had earlier meant an undergarment, now a waistcoat

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ike!

The Camisole cut-waistcoat gives me a huge clue!!!

thanks!
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