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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Condé wrote:
One half-hitch and then two more about 6" above the first. But don't do it with hemp rope. It swells too much when wet and you have to undo and retie the knots. On manila or the sisal rope that most use, knots work far better than dogbones.

Besides, knots are PC. Pretty sure dogbones aren't. ;-)


Figure 8 and two half hitches AKA a variation of the trucker's hitch
not just in hemp line, but in other ropes.
If the rope is new, it will have to be retaughtened twice the first day, and once each day for a week. After that, they rather stay put.
To tighten, undo the half hitch/slipknot and pull on the tag end...reanchor with a slipping half hitch.

The sliding hitch Conde describes is good on rope that is already stretched, and isn't too new, nor too old. It's a lot quicker, and easy, but I agree with his analysis of it in hemp.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "dogbones" on Washington's tent looked like ----- dogbones.....

They appear to be about 6 or 8 inches long and have a round paddle on each end with a hole in the middle for the rope to go through. The middle which connects the two "paddles looks to be about an inch wide. I can't measure the thickness, but it appears to be about 1/2 inch thick. I would imagine they are made of oak. I make this guess based on the fact that the tent pegs for Washington's tent were made of oak.

Now I am estimating these dimensions using a guy in the photograph as my measuring stick. I figure he is about 6 foot tall. If he is 5 foot 2, then all the measurements are proportionately off....

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: dog bone Reply with quote

Oatsayo Lloyd
Ive seen that type. I would imagine they were a good hardwood.
Dont know if the holes were slanted or straight do you?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would imagine that the holes are straight. At least I made mine that way.

How the dogbones work is, they kink the rope and that is what makes them hold. If the holes were slanted, I don't think it would kink the rope.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the one hole where the rope slids through is drilled slanted the other way a bit, it will add a little more "kink" in use - a little extra side pressure.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: dog bone Reply with quote

yes Mike,
Thats what I was thinking too.
Most wooden ones I have seen were straight, But they are all repros.

have you ever seen Period metal ones?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: My 2 cents.. Reply with quote

When I was needing some "dogbones" I found a piece of oak that was 1 and 1/4" wide and a full 3/4" thick. I drilled my holes not through the width part as is usually done, but through the thickness of it (side) and found these, for my purposes, to be much better. It puts alot more tension on the rope due to the angle it is at and have not had any slip yet. K.Klein
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:33 am    Post subject: Re: dog bone Reply with quote

Tsegoweleh wrote:

have you ever seen Period metal ones?


The only metal ones I've seen so far are ... modern made.

But I haven't gotten time to check back into the Medieval or Roman era stuff yet. I've been concentrating on getting a tin/pole leanto shed added to one shed before the snow flies -- and STAYS!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: dog bone Reply with quote

I have not either,
doesent hurt to ask. I think wood is the way to go.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was showed by a retired circus veteran to make my dog bones perform better. Instead of coming through bottom hole and the looping into the top hole with a knot behind it, go over the top of the second hole and the come through from the backside and the tie a knot. This way will increase the amount of tension on the rope.
I tried it and it really pulls a kink in the rope with less slippage.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know of your definition of 'modern', and this won't help with an earlier era, but metal dog bones---better known as tent slips in mil-speak--were in use by the Civil War. When I do 1870s military, I've got a pair (originals) for my dog tent.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since I am the one who started this Thread on Dog Bones...

I want to go On The Record...

I want Mine made of WOOD...and Finished to Match My Bullet Block...

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I want Mine made of WOOD...and Finished to Match My Bullet Block...


Ohhhhhhhh man! Are bullet blocks PC?

Oh well. Eric, Send me a picture and I will make you some to match your bullet block. What kind of finish does it have?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I want Mine made of WOOD...and Finished to Match My Bullet Block...


Ohhhhhhhh man! Are bullet blocks PC?

Oh well. Eric, Send me a picture and I will make you some to match your bullet block. What kind of finish does it have?


Logic dictates that Bullet Blocks are simply Dog Bones...with More Holes!

No Leap of Faith Required !!!

And of course...it has to have a PC Finish...to Ensure Authenticity!!!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rod L wrote:
I don't know of your definition of 'modern', and this won't help with an earlier era, but metal dog bones---better known as tent slips in mil-speak--were in use by the Civil War. When I do 1870s military, I've got a pair (originals) for my dog tent.

Rod


By "modern", I was referring to the early 1900's and late 1800's. I was not aware of some Civil War ones - but I have not studied that era much.

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